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	<title>Comments on: Geek Community: Path to Self-Actualization or Pit of Unproductive Negativity?</title>
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	<description>A Grande, Triple Shot, Non-Fat Core Dump by Russell Ball</description>
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		<title>By: Justice~!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice~!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell, one day I swear to you I am going to write a follow-up response to this post.  I have literally had it in queue for almost 2 months now!  The geek community can be either of the above; it just depends on where you&#039;re at.  However, for me the geek community has been awesome - after all, would I have met people like you otherwise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell, one day I swear to you I am going to write a follow-up response to this post.  I have literally had it in queue for almost 2 months now!  The geek community can be either of the above; it just depends on where you&#8217;re at.  However, for me the geek community has been awesome &#8211; after all, would I have met people like you otherwise?</p>
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		<title>By: Denton Gentry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denton Gentry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 05:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like what you&#039;ve written here. Like most people I find my interests wax and wane, some weeks I&#039;ll spend more time reading up on various blogs/articles/etc and some weeks hardly anything at all.

&gt; Anonymity Breeds Meanness

Oh man, does it. I started posting articles quite recently, just a couple months ago. The negative, sometimes brutal comments are tough to handle. My upbringing was of the &quot;if you can&#039;t say anything nice don&#039;t say anything at all&quot; persuasion, but that is clearly not the norm in online comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like what you&#8217;ve written here. Like most people I find my interests wax and wane, some weeks I&#8217;ll spend more time reading up on various blogs/articles/etc and some weeks hardly anything at all.</p>
<p>&gt; Anonymity Breeds Meanness</p>
<p>Oh man, does it. I started posting articles quite recently, just a couple months ago. The negative, sometimes brutal comments are tough to handle. My upbringing was of the &#8220;if you can&#8217;t say anything nice don&#8217;t say anything at all&#8221; persuasion, but that is clearly not the norm in online comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Fervent Coder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fervent Coder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 03:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful post.  That is all. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post.  That is all. <img src='http://www.caffeinatedcoder.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brian Donahue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Donahue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 19:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had to come back, as I just heard much more succinct words of wisdom from Randy Pausch&#039;s CMU lecture (via JP Boodhoo and others) at about 25 minutes in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_MqicxSo

&quot;It&#039;s very important to know when you&#039;re in a pissing match.  And it&#039;s very important to get out of it as quickly as possible.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had to come back, as I just heard much more succinct words of wisdom from Randy Pausch&#8217;s CMU lecture (via JP Boodhoo and others) at about 25 minutes in:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_MqicxSo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_MqicxSo</a></p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s very important to know when you&#8217;re in a pissing match.  And it&#8217;s very important to get out of it as quickly as possible.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading about your hermit era really sounds like me. Just in the past few months I&#039;ve started keeping up with the dev community (previously my bookmarks were filled nearly exclusively with food blogs). 

I think you hit the biggest benefit (IMO) with &quot;Perspective.&quot; I met a retired sheet metal worker recently, and he said their union required new members to change jobs every few months so they had a variety of experience. I&#039;m still working at the place that hired me out of college, and after 4 years I realized I don&#039;t want to be stuck only knowing how to do one niche of the trade (ASP.NET). The perspective you gain by trying something different isn&#039;t just a novelty though, I think the things I&#039;ve learned working with Ruby have improved by C# as well.

It&#039;s possible that I could have learned all this in a more solitary way - books, etc, but I think the community aspect is what keeps my motivation up - seeing what other people are actually doing is certainly more inspiring than the demo project in a book.

There&#039;s no need to waste time on negativity. The internet is full of anonymous jerks, and the last thing you want to give them is attention. I just try to ignore it.

I guess maybe I&#039;m no longer a hermit, but still more of a lurker :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading about your hermit era really sounds like me. Just in the past few months I&#8217;ve started keeping up with the dev community (previously my bookmarks were filled nearly exclusively with food blogs). </p>
<p>I think you hit the biggest benefit (IMO) with &#8220;Perspective.&#8221; I met a retired sheet metal worker recently, and he said their union required new members to change jobs every few months so they had a variety of experience. I&#8217;m still working at the place that hired me out of college, and after 4 years I realized I don&#8217;t want to be stuck only knowing how to do one niche of the trade (ASP.NET). The perspective you gain by trying something different isn&#8217;t just a novelty though, I think the things I&#8217;ve learned working with Ruby have improved by C# as well.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible that I could have learned all this in a more solitary way &#8211; books, etc, but I think the community aspect is what keeps my motivation up &#8211; seeing what other people are actually doing is certainly more inspiring than the demo project in a book.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no need to waste time on negativity. The internet is full of anonymous jerks, and the last thing you want to give them is attention. I just try to ignore it.</p>
<p>I guess maybe I&#8217;m no longer a hermit, but still more of a lurker <img src='http://www.caffeinatedcoder.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Russell Ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robert - Good points. I constantly struggle with whether my participation in community is speeding up or slowing down my learning process. I can think of instances where it has done both. That gets back to my original project that I have for myself of devising a better personal strategy for recognizing when it is helpful and when it is unproductive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert &#8211; Good points. I constantly struggle with whether my participation in community is speeding up or slowing down my learning process. I can think of instances where it has done both. That gets back to my original project that I have for myself of devising a better personal strategy for recognizing when it is helpful and when it is unproductive.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Pool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Pool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Community (whether virtual or physical) is the only way for any of us to truly grow.

Like anything, the quality that you get out will be exactly what you put in.  Engage in flaming comments that add no intelligent value, and that is all that you will ever get back out of community group think. Participate at a higher level (blogging, commenting, etc) and you will soon be at the top of your game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Community (whether virtual or physical) is the only way for any of us to truly grow.</p>
<p>Like anything, the quality that you get out will be exactly what you put in.  Engage in flaming comments that add no intelligent value, and that is all that you will ever get back out of community group think. Participate at a higher level (blogging, commenting, etc) and you will soon be at the top of your game.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Seth - I agree that community content surfing is a very quick way for me to catalog what I don&#039;t know. 

Perhaps a good compromise is to use community content to figure out what to learn, traditional content to get a basic grounding in the material, and then go back to community content to get advanced tips and gotchyas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Seth &#8211; I agree that community content surfing is a very quick way for me to catalog what I don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>Perhaps a good compromise is to use community content to figure out what to learn, traditional content to get a basic grounding in the material, and then go back to community content to get advanced tips and gotchyas.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brian

&quot;My new approach is to picture the people in the argument (including myself) alone at a podium in their living room, preaching to a menagerie of stuffed animals, meticulously arranged so that their eyes are fixated on the speaker.&quot;

At first this image creeped me out. I got a flashback to the Poltergeist scene where they show the clown at night during a lightning storm right before it pounces on the little boy.

Then you mentioned bunnies and bears at the end and all was well.

Either image seems like it would be an effective anecdote. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brian</p>
<p>&#8220;My new approach is to picture the people in the argument (including myself) alone at a podium in their living room, preaching to a menagerie of stuffed animals, meticulously arranged so that their eyes are fixated on the speaker.&#8221;</p>
<p>At first this image creeped me out. I got a flashback to the Poltergeist scene where they show the clown at night during a lightning storm right before it pounces on the little boy.</p>
<p>Then you mentioned bunnies and bears at the end and all was well.</p>
<p>Either image seems like it would be an effective anecdote. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Communty in general is a &quot;good thing&quot;, geek community is no exception. However too much of anything becomes bad, and a time sink.

The problem with our (geek) communities is that they are such a rich community you could easily get sucked into the community itself and never accomplish what you need to do.

As to anonymous issues, I agree the ability to hide ones identity often leads to keyboard road rage. My answer is not to participate. If an inflammatory comment is made I may respond once, thanking them for their opinion, but I refuse to get drawn into those types of black hole discussions. 

As to is a community the fastest way to self improvement? I would say no, but it can sure help. The fastest way to improve is as it always has been. Hard work. But a community can help by providing feedback, assistance and information. 

Nice post!

Cheers,

Robert Porter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Communty in general is a &#8220;good thing&#8221;, geek community is no exception. However too much of anything becomes bad, and a time sink.</p>
<p>The problem with our (geek) communities is that they are such a rich community you could easily get sucked into the community itself and never accomplish what you need to do.</p>
<p>As to anonymous issues, I agree the ability to hide ones identity often leads to keyboard road rage. My answer is not to participate. If an inflammatory comment is made I may respond once, thanking them for their opinion, but I refuse to get drawn into those types of black hole discussions. </p>
<p>As to is a community the fastest way to self improvement? I would say no, but it can sure help. The fastest way to improve is as it always has been. Hard work. But a community can help by providing feedback, assistance and information. </p>
<p>Nice post!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Robert Porter</p>
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